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Mail server test
by Reni Bartl 18 Oct '23

18 Oct '23

Dear all, I had to re-configurated the whole mail server, as my email address <mailto:bartl@american-indian-workshop.org> bartl(a)american-indian-workshop.org as owner and moderator address created problems. I try now to manage the Committee and Members mailing lists from my <mailto:renate.bartl@t-online.de> renate.bartl(a)t-online.de address and want to test whether this functions. Thank you for your patience. Best, Renate

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Test4
by AIW - Bartl 14 Oct '23

14 Oct '23

Dear all, please ignore this email. This is hopefully the last test email! Best, Renate

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Test email 3
by Reni Bartl 12 Oct '23

12 Oct '23

Dear all, the mail server is still not working as it should. The problem is that I do not get my own emails, therefore we are trying another option now. Please ignore this email. Best, Renate

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Test-Email2
by AIW - Bartl 12 Oct '23

12 Oct '23

Dear all, this is another test email, because I did not get the email, I have sent out yesterday. I have changed the configuration of the mail server now and I hope it functions this time. So please ignore this email! Sorry for bothering you. Best, Renate

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AIW Committe mailing list
by AIW - Bartl 11 Oct '23

11 Oct '23

Dear all, this is a test email from our new mail server to the Committee mailing list. Some of you have got a confirmation email for the Committee mailing list yesterday. If you have not confirmed yet, please ignore. Could you please send back short feedback to me whether you have received this email by responding to: <mailto:bartl@american-indian-workshop.org> bartl(a)american-indian-workshop.org? The mailing list of the Committee and the Members have been migrated to an interim list server, which is owned by the company (Sys4) of our IT-Manager Patrick. The new setup of the AIW list server on out AIW virtual server will be installed in the near future. The Committee list server for now is: https://list.sys4.de/postorius/lists/committee.list.american-indian-workshop .org/ The Members list server for now is: https://list.sys4.de/postorius/lists/members.list.american-indian-workshop.o rg/ Thank you for your help! Best, Renate

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Re: Your confirmation is needed to join the committee@list.american-indian-workshop.org mailing list.
by Gyorgy Toth 10 Oct '23

10 Oct '23

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AIW talk platform - stop
by journal＠american-indian-workshop 19 Sep '23

19 Sep '23

Dear All, according to our decision at the business meeting Budapest, June, 29th 2023 I’ve started the online platform „AIW talks and contributions“. Together with Judit Kádár who was supporting the project regarding the sending of the invitations to presenters in her role of this years‘ AIW organizer, we had the kick off August, 3rd. Unfortunately due to technical issues she will not be able to proceed and send the invitations to all participants to open discussion. Moreover, the option offered to upload contributions for discussion again was not used. We are having one upload this time, on the occasion of the pilot based on the AIW Luxembourg we had two uploads. I have to acknowledge that it is difficult to implement a stable process and at the same time I have to accept that there is too little interest for the project I am proposing. And - as you can see below I’ve spent a lot of time and effort for the project already. The aforementioned circumstances now cause me to close the project. This is naturally also connected with my withdrawal from the committee. I would like to thank you all for the good cooperation and hope to see you again at one of the next AIWs. With best regards, Sonja Proposal to the committee and project definition Jan. 2021 and Apr. 2021 Presentation to Business Meetings 2021, 2022, 2023 Tool down selection 2021, 2022 Intensive testing and Pilot testing 2021/2022 (with R. Bartls, Th. Jacobs, C. Krieger) Official run, aborted due to process obstacles 2023 Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Dr. Sonja Ross Email: ross(a)rosske.de Mobile: +49 163 162 4786

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Committee Meeting Monday
by AIW - Bartl 23 Jul '23

23 Jul '23

Dear all, I just come back from radiology and they found out, that my left clavicle has cracked when I fell against the door frame 4 weeks ago. Now I have an appointment with my orthopedist on Monday on 5 pm. Therefore, I won't make it for the Committee Meeting at 6 pm. As I would like to take part in the meeting, can we postpone it to 7 pm? Or another day? Alternatively, I would have time from July 31 onward (as there is the Conference of the German Anthropological Association from next Tuesday - Friday). If it is not possible to change the time, that's ok. Markus can tell me during the conference what you discussed. Best, Renate

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Keshia Talking Waters De Freece Lawrence Email
by Reni Bartl 15 Jul '23

15 Jul '23

Dear all, this is my personal evaluation of the behavior of Keshia Talking Waters De Freece Lawrence. She is a member of the Ramapo Mountain Indians who self-identify as Ramapough Lenape Munsee Tribe (among many other Indian tribal identities). This is a group of African-Dutch descent, where members switched into in Indian identity in the 18th century, because the racial category colored was not available at that time or on the forms on which they had to identify racially (e.g. military draft forms and census forms). They were denied US federal acknowledgement as an Indian tribe in 1998 and they are denied recognition as a state tribe by New York State. They are recognized as a state tribe by New Jersey, but New Jersey recognizes any group as a state tribe that brings votes at the next election for their governor and governing party. New Jersey does not have any procedure to verify the Native American descent of the groups they recognize as state tribes. This is true for all New Jersey state tribes. Additionally, all federally recognized Delaware Munsee Nations in the USA and the Delaware Munsee First Nation in Canada deny the claim of the group to Lenape Munsee identity and refuse to enroll them as tribal members into their tribes. I know all this, because I am researching these groups (which usually call themselves tri-racial) in the eastern USA since the 1980s, I have written my dissertation on them and I have published a book on them: Bartl, Renate. 2021. American Tri-Racials: African-Native Contact, Multi-Ethnic Native American Nations, and the Ethnogenesis of Tri-Racial Groups in North America. Dissertationen der LMU München 43. Dortmund: readbox publishing GmbH. <https://nbn-resolving.org/urn:nbn:de:bvb:19-268747> https://nbn-resolving.org/urn:nbn:de:bvb:19-268747. [open access publication] I am discussing how these people switch into an Indian identity on pp. 31-43 and I am discussing the Ramapo Mountain Indians several pages (e.g. on p. 75f). Sorry for advertising my book, but this will shorten my email. Such groups are very frustrated, because they conceive themselves as indigenous, but lack Native American descent. This becomes obvious when Keshia complains in her email that members of federally recognized tribes were favored over members of state tribes (her) and detribalized peoples (non-recognized groups). This frustration is the reason why these people make trouble at conferences. I have seen how such persons of state and non-recognized groups attacked, spammed, and disrupted online lectures, webinars, and virtual conferences with their insults and self-victimization. The argumentation and accusations are always the same and concur with what she wrote in her email. If they are not allowed to speak, they spam the chats with their frustrations and accusations. The problem is that they can become very aggressive and insulting, even towards members of federally recognized tribes and First Nations if those do not side with them and support their claims to indigeneity. Members of the Ramapo Mountain Indians have threatened scholars, who do not support their narrative of being Munsee Lenape, to kill them, if they give public talks! Therefore, it is my opinion that these people should not be allowed to participate in our workshop, neither in-person nor virtual. I agree with Livia that Keshias email really damaged the conference and the reputation of AIW as an academic institution. Therefore, my claim is not to allow members of non-recognized tribes, Pretendians, and Wannabees as participants and speakers to our AIW conferences, and members of state tribes only if their claim to Native American descent can be verified. There is even a Federal Indian Tribe, the Lumbee of NC, whose Indian ancestry is questioned by other Federal Indian Tribes (e.g. Cherokee Nation) and the attendance of members of this tribe might cause problems. Therefore, my claims are: 1. The AIW must avoid providing a platform for persons and groups misusing it for self-expression and self-victimization. We lose our credibility if we do so and we harm the reputation of our association. 2. The AIW should not serve as an academic platform to provide academic credibility and recognition of indigeneity to such people. 3. The AIW must avoid providing a platform for persons and groups using it for public self-victimization and general accusations. Our workshop meetings and email lists cannot be misused for that. Keshia complains that Conferences are expected to have codes of conduct, procedures for conflicts, and boards or committees to accept complaints and address them. All this wont help if persons do not know how proper behavior functions. It is ok that we will formulate codes of conduct and put it on our webpage, but this wont help against those people. All the online conferences and webinars I attended had codes of conduct on their webpages and in their conference information, but these people simply ignore that, because profiling themselves as Indigenous and victimizing themselves as being mistreated by non-Indians (preferably whites and government institutions) is more important to them than any proper behavior. Moreover, we have the members of our AIW Committee with email links on the webpage and we had the organizers of the Budapest AIW with an email link on the webpage. Why didnt she use these channels of communication for her complaint? What can we do to avoid being misused like this by members of non-recognized and phony tribes, Pretendians, and Wannabees? You can ask me, for example. You can also check my book where I have listed Federal Indian Tribes, state tribes, and non-recognized tribes on pp. 409-438. Members of Black and Colored groups that have switched into an Indian identity can usually by identified by their surnames. For example, De Freece (and its different spellings) is a typical Dutch Ramapo Mountain Indian surname, so even if Keshia wouldnt have identified tribally to us I would have known to which group she belongs. Last year a member of such a group had handed in an abstract for the Luxemburg AIW, but Carlo and Tania sent me the names of the persons who had handed in abstracts in advance and I was able to warn them. This year I warned the Budapest organizing team in March not to accept the paper by Keshia, but they decided to accept it. There are hundreds of thousands of Black and Colored persons and hundreds of tri-racial groups of in the Eastern USA, whose claim to an Indigenous identity is questionable. Therefore, we will be confronted with a raising number of such person who want to attend our workshops. What can we do? My suggestion is to establish an Evaluation Committee, which checks the abstracts in advance together with the organizers of an AIW and provides recommendations. This Evaluation Committee can be our AIW Organizing Committee, or a committee we establish with specialist for the different areas of North American, who can identify such persons (e.g. I can identify such persons for the eastern USA). Brian Hosmer has asked whether he could do some voluntarily work for us, so we could ask him to help us. But what can we do if organizers do not follow our suggestions not to accept speakers? How can we prevent that the reputation of the AIW general organization is damaged by this? Additionally, AIW organizers must be aware that if you reject papers from such persons, you will be attacked as a white European racists, discriminating Indigenous people from North America, continuing colonialism and white supremacy, etc. You must also be aware that these people will use public platforms (social media) to accuse you of that. So, whatever we do, it might cause problems. As to the Budapest AIW: ca. 50% of the participants were AIW members, which means that only ca. 5% of total AIW members were present and got the email. So how do we react to this now? Shall we write an email to the participants, or to all our members, telling them about the measures we will take? Shall we write an (unpolite) email to Keshia? We can talk about this in an online meeting. I will be available on July 20, 21, 24, and again from July 31 onward. If we meet online, who will organize that? Or shall we ask James to set up a Zoom meting? P.S.: I will attach some quotes to show you how serious the problem is: U.S. Department of Commerce, Bureau of the Census. 2021. 2020 Census Illuminates Racial and Ethnic Composition of the Country. https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/improved-race-ethnicity-measu res-reveal-united-states-population-much-more-multiracial.html: From 2010 to 2020, () the American Indian and Alaska Native alone population grew by 27.1%, and the American Indian and Alaska Native in combination population grew by 160% since 2010. An additional 5.9 million people identified as American Indian and Alaska Native and another race group in 2020, such as White or Black or African American. Indianz.com. 2023. 'Phony Tribes': Cherokee Nation Takes on Fraudulent Groups. Accessed April 20, 2023. https://indianz.substack.com/p/phony-tribes: We all know there are many Pretendians out there. But we also know there a hundreds and hundreds of groups pretending to be Indian as well. Sobo, Elisa, J., Michael Lambert, and Valerie Lambert. 2021. Land Acknowledgments Meant to Honor Indigenous People Too Often Do the Opposite Erasing American Indians and Sanitizing History Instead. Accessed October 13, 2022. https://theconversation.com/land-acknowledgments-meant-to-honor-indigenous-p eople-too-often-do-the-opposite-erasing-american-indians-and-sanitizing-hist ory-instead-163787 When non-Indigenous people allow pretendians authority regarding land acknowledgments and blessing ceremonies, it irreparably harms sovereign Indigenous nations and their citizens. The most threatening message communicated by these acts is that American Indian identity is a racial or ethnic identity that anyone can claim through self-identification. This is not true. American Indian identity is a political identity based on citizenship in an Indigenous nation whose sovereignty has been acknowledged by the U.S. government. Sovereign Indigenous nations, and only these nations have the authority to determine who is and is not a citizen, and hence who is and is not an American Indian or Alaska Native. Anything less would undermine the entire body of Indian Law, undoing tribal sovereignty. Best Renate ----- Dr. phil. Renate Bartl Schopenhauerstr. 83 80807 Munich/Germany Tel. +49-89-089-3599 531 Fax +49-89-35 65 32 77 Cell +49 151 4128 2632 Email: <mailto:renate.bartl@t-online.de> renate.bartl(a)t-online.de <http://www.american-indian-workshop.org> www.american-indian-workshop.org

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discussion concerning the
by Savelkova Livia 14 Jul '23

14 Jul '23

Dear all, as I have already wrote to some of the AIW committee members, I feel important to discuss in depth the unpleasant issue that appeared in Budapest AIW concerning the email from Keshia Lawrence. I feel that it really damaged the conference atmosphere, organizational team and the name of AIW. I feel really sorry for it and I think this needs to be addressed. Many of the other future organisers may be exposed to these unpleasant situations as well. I hope we will be able to communicate it although there is a holiday time. Are we able to meet online? Please, let me know. Thank you. And again, I would like to thank to Judit and her whole team for the organization of the 44th AIW in Budapest. I know it has been hard work. Best regards, Livia PhDr. Lívia Šavelková, Ph. D. Katedra sociální a kulturní antropologie Univerzita Pardubice e-mail: livia.savelkova(a)upce.cz<mailto:milan.durnak@upce.cz> Studentská 95 532 10 Pardubice [cid:8a704997-9e86-4276-8a80-027462e7ea0a]

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