Für diese Verzögerungen es gibt auch keinerlei Warnungen im maillog, dass irgend ein Limit überschritten würde.
Beim Server handelt es sich um einen Lenovo RD 650 mit 65GB RAM und Raid6 mit SSD's
Es müssen auch nur ca. 150 Clients bedient werden
Posteingang ca. 2500 Mails pro Tag
Postausgang ca. 1700 Mails pro Tag

Problem tritt meist bei der Domain josko.at auf, wenn schon ca. 20 Mails in der active queue sind, welche durch unser ERB-System eingeliefert wurden und auch an diese Domain versendet werden sollte.

Vielleicht hat ja doch jemand Zeit für mein Problem.
vg, Andi

Am 12.12.2016 um 08:57 schrieb Andreas Wass - Glas Gasperlmair:
Kann mir denn keiner helfen?
Warum kontaktiert mein postfix den externen Server erst so spät?
Intern wird sofort zugestellt und der Server der externen Empfänger wird erst 38 Minuten später das erste Mal kontaktiert

Dec 12 07:52:42 mail postfix/smtpd[25295]: A7D6E300A95AAC: client=unknown[192.168.105.82]
Dec 12 07:52:42 mail postfix/cleanup[25472]: A7D6E300A95AAC: message-id=<584E493A.3010203@glas-gasperlmair.at>
Dec 12 07:52:44 mail amavis[25717]: (25717-04) Passed CLEAN {AcceptedInternal}, AM.PDP-SOCK/MYNETS LOCAL [192.168.105.82] <barbara.thurner@glas-gasperlmair.at> -> <verteiler-josko-lieferliste@glas-gasperlmair.at>, Queue-ID: A7D6E300A95AAC, Message-ID: <584E493A.3010203@glas-gasperlmair.at>, mail_id: 23UJsobegQpY, Hits: -0.999, size: 861963, 711 ms
Dec 12 07:52:44 mail postfix/qmgr[2548]: A7D6E300A95AAC: from=<barbara.thurner@glas-gasperlmair.at>, size=862116, nrcpt=10 (queue active)
Dec 12 07:52:44 mail postfix/lmtp[24346]: A7D6E300A95AAC: to=<archiv2016ausgang@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=1.6, delays=1.5/0.01/0/0.15, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 <archiv2016ausgang@glas-gasperlmair.at> wVxcCTxJTlgPaAAA9a9gbQ Saved)
Dec 12 07:52:45 mail postfix/lmtp[24346]: A7D6E300A95AAC: to=<archiv2016eingang@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=2.4, delays=1.5/0.01/0/0.97, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 <archiv2016eingang@glas-gasperlmair.at> wVxcCTxJTlgPaAAA9a9gbQ:2 Saved)
Dec 12 08:30:15 mail postfix/smtp[30053]: A7D6E300A95AAC: to=<alexander.himsl@josko.at>, orig_to=<verteiler-josko-lieferliste@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=cust3862-1.in.mailcontrol.com[85.115.60.190]:25, delay=2252, delays=1.5/2246/1.8/3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 uBC7UAE2111090 Message accepted for delivery)
Dec 12 08:30:15 mail postfix/smtp[30053]: A7D6E300A95AAC: to=<daniela.jagereder@josko.at>, orig_to=<verteiler-josko-lieferliste@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=cust3862-1.in.mailcontrol.com[85.115.60.190]:25, delay=2252, delays=1.5/2246/1.8/3, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 uBC7UAE2111090 Message accepted for delivery)
Dec 12 08:30:15 mail postfix/qmgr[2548]: A7D6E300A95AAC: removed

Anbei noch meine Konfiguration und master.cf

postconf -n
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
amavisd_milter = inet:127.0.0.1:8899
body_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/body_checks_map
bounce_queue_lifetime = 3d
bounce_template_file = /etc/postfix/bounce.de-DE.cf
broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes
command_directory = /usr/sbin
config_directory = /etc/postfix
daemon_directory = /usr/libexec/postfix
data_directory = /var/lib/postfix
debug_peer_level = 2
debugger_command = PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin; export PATH; (echo cont; echo where) | gdb $daemon_directory/$process_name $process_id 2>&1 >$config_directory/$process_name.$process_id.log & sleep 5
default_database_type = btree
default_privs = nobody
disable_vrfy_command = yes
header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/header_checks_map
html_directory = no
lmtp_generic_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/lmtp_generic_maps
lmtp_tls_protocols = $smtp_tls_protocols
mail_owner = postfix
mailbox_size_limit = 52428800
mailq_path = /usr/bin/mailq.postfix
manpage_directory = /usr/share/man
maximal_queue_lifetime = 3d
message_size_limit = 52428800
mydestination = $myhostname localhost.$mydomain localhost
myhostname = mail1.glasgasperlmair.at
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128 192.168.104.0/23 192.168.103.0/24
myorigin = $mydomain
newaliases_path = /usr/bin/newaliases.postfix
postscreen_access_list = permit_mynetworks cidr:/etc/postfix/postscreen_whitelist
postscreen_bare_newline_action = ignore
postscreen_bare_newline_enable = no
postscreen_blacklist_action = drop
postscreen_dnsbl_action = enforce
postscreen_dnsbl_sites = zen.spamhaus.org*2 bl.spamcop.net*1 b.barracudacentral.org*1
postscreen_dnsbl_threshold = 2
postscreen_dnsbl_whitelist_threshold = 0
postscreen_greet_action = enforce
postscreen_non_smtp_command_enable = no
postscreen_pipelining_enable = no
postscreen_whitelist_interfaces = static:all
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix
readme_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.11.3/README_FILES
recipient_bcc_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/recipient_bcc_maps
recipient_canonical_classes = envelope_recipient
recipient_canonical_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/recipient_canonical_maps
recipient_delimiter = +
relay_domains = btree:/etc/postfix/relay_domains
relay_recipient_maps =
relocated_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/relocated_maps
sample_directory = /usr/share/doc/postfix-2.11.3/samples
sender_bcc_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/sender_bcc_maps
sender_canonical_classes = envelope_sender
sender_canonical_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/sender_canonical_maps
sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail.postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
show_user_unknown_table_name = no
smtp_destination_rate_delay = 150s
smtp_generic_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/smtp_generic_maps
smtp_tls_cert_file = $smtpd_tls_cert_file
smtp_tls_exclude_ciphers = aNULL eNULL EXPORT DES 3DES RC4 MD5 PSK aECDH EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA EDH-RSA-DES-CDC3-SHA KRB5-DE5 CBC3-SHA AES128-SHA DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA AES256-SHA DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA CAMELLIA128-SHA DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA128-SHA CAMELLIA256-SHA DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA
smtp_tls_key_file = $smtpd_tls_key_file
smtp_tls_loglevel = 0
smtp_tls_protocols = !SSLv2 !SSLv3
smtp_tls_security_level = may
smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name
smtpd_client_connection_count_limit = 20
smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit = 20
smtpd_client_message_rate_limit = 50
smtpd_client_recipient_rate_limit = 50
smtpd_discard_ehlo_keyword_address_maps = cidr:/etc/postfix/esmtp_access
smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access btree:/etc/postfix/access_recipient-rfc check_client_access cidr:/etc/postfix/access_client check_helo_access btree:/etc/postfix/access_helo check_recipient_access btree:/etc/postfix/access_recipient permit_sasl_authenticated permit_mynetworks check_sender_access btree:/etc/postfix/access_sender reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org reject_rbl_client ix.dnsbl.manitu.net reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net reject_unverified_recipient reject_unauth_destination permit
smtpd_relay_restrictions = permit_sasl_authenticated permit_mynetworks reject_unauth_destination
smtpd_sasl_auth_enable = yes
smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
smtpd_sasl_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_sasl_tls_security_options = noanonymous
smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
smtpd_tls_ask_ccert = yes
smtpd_tls_cert_file = /etc/pki/postfix/certs/mail1.glasgasperlmair.at.crt
smtpd_tls_dh1024_param_file = /etc/pki/postfix/private/dh_2048.pem
smtpd_tls_dh512_param_file = /etc/pki/postfix/private/dh_512.pem
smtpd_tls_eecdh_grade = strong
smtpd_tls_exclude_ciphers = aNULL eNULL EXPORT DES 3DES RC4 MD5 PSK aECDH EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA EDH-RSA-DES-CDC3-SHA KRB5-DE5 CBC3-SHA
smtpd_tls_key_file = /etc/pki/postfix/private/mail1.glasgasperlmair.at.key
smtpd_tls_loglevel = 0
smtpd_tls_protocols = !SSLv2 !SSLv3
smtpd_tls_received_header = yes
smtpd_tls_security_level = may
tls_preempt_cipherlist = yes
transport_maps = btree:/etc/postfix/transport_maps, $relay_domains
unverified_recipient_reject_reason = Recipient address lookup failed
unverified_sender_reject_reason = Sender address lookup failed
virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf
virtual_mailbox_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-mailbox-maps.cf
virtual_transport = lmtp:[127.0.0.1]:24

meine master.cf
#smtp      inet  n      -       n       -       -       smtpd
smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       1       postscreen
smtpd     pass  -       -       n       -       -       smtpd
#  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=no
  -o smtpd_milters=${amavisd_milter}
#  -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings
dnsblog   unix  -       -       n       -       0       dnsblog
tlsproxy  unix  -       -       n       -       0       tlsproxy
submission inet n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
  -o syslog_name=postfix/submission
  -o smtpd_tls_security_level=encrypt
  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
  -o smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient=no
#  -o smtpd_etrn_restrictions=reject
#  -o smtpd_client_restrictions=$mua_client_restrictions
#  -o smtpd_helo_restrictions=$mua_helo_restrictions
#  -o smtpd_sender_restrictions=$mua_sender_restrictions
  -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=
  -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
#  -o milter_macro_daemon_name=ORIGINATING
#  -o milter_macro_daemon_name=MYSUBMITTERS
#  -o smtpd_milters=${amavisd_milter}
#  -o content_filter=smtp:[127.0.0.1]:10024
#  -o receive_override_options=no_address_mappings
#  -o smtpd_milters=${amavisd_milter}
#smtps     inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
#  -o syslog_name=postfix/smtps
#  -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes
#  -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
#  -o smtpd_reject_unlisted_recipient=no
#  -o smtpd_client_restrictions=$mua_client_restrictions
#  -o smtpd_helo_restrictions=$mua_helo_restrictions
#  -o smtpd_sender_restrictions=$mua_sender_restrictions
#  -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject
#  -o milter_macro_daemon_name=ORIGINATING
#628       inet  n       -       n       -       -       qmqpd
pickup    unix  n       -       n       60      1       pickup
cleanup   unix  n       -       n       -       0       cleanup
qmgr      unix  n       -       n       300     1       qmgr
#qmgr     unix  n       -       n       300     1       oqmgr
tlsmgr    unix  -       -       n       1000?   1       tlsmgr
rewrite   unix  -       -       n       -       -       trivial-rewrite
bounce    unix  -       -       n       -       0       bounce
defer     unix  -       -       n       -       0       bounce
trace     unix  -       -       n       -       0       bounce
verify    unix  -       -       n       -       1       verify
flush     unix  n       -       n       1000?   0       flush
proxymap  unix  -       -       n       -       -       proxymap
proxywrite unix -       -       n       -       1       proxymap
smtp      unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp
relay     unix  -       -       n       -       -       smtp
#       -o smtp_helo_timeout=5 -o smtp_connect_timeout=5
showq     unix  n       -       n       -       -       showq
error     unix  -       -       n       -       -       error
retry     unix  -       -       n       -       -       error
discard   unix  -       -       n       -       -       discard
local     unix  -       n       n       -       -       local
virtual   unix  -       n       n       -       -       virtual
lmtp      unix  -       -       n       -       -       lmtp
anvil     unix  -       -       n       -       1       anvil
scache    unix  -       -       n       -       1       scache
#
# ====================================================================
# Interfaces to non-Postfix software. Be sure to examine the manual
# pages of the non-Postfix software to find out what options it wants.
#
# Many of the following services use the Postfix pipe(8) delivery
# agent.  See the pipe(8) man page for information about ${recipient}
# and other message envelope options.
# ====================================================================
#
# maildrop. See the Postfix MAILDROP_README file for details.
# Also specify in main.cf: maildrop_destination_recipient_limit=1
#
#maildrop  unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=DRhu user=vmail argv=/usr/local/bin/maildrop -d ${recipient}
#
# ====================================================================
#
# Recent Cyrus versions can use the existing "lmtp" master.cf entry.
#
# Specify in cyrus.conf:
#   lmtp    cmd="lmtpd -a" listen="localhost:lmtp" proto=tcp4
#
# Specify in main.cf one or more of the following:
#  mailbox_transport = lmtp:inet:localhost
#  virtual_transport = lmtp:inet:localhost
#
# ====================================================================
#
# Cyrus 2.1.5 (Amos Gouaux)
# Also specify in main.cf: cyrus_destination_recipient_limit=1
#
#cyrus     unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/deliver -e -r ${sender} -m ${extension} ${user}
#
# ====================================================================
#
# Old example of delivery via Cyrus.
#
#old-cyrus unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=R user=cyrus argv=/usr/lib/cyrus-imapd/deliver -e -m ${extension} ${user}
#
# ====================================================================
#
# See the Postfix UUCP_README file for configuration details.
#
#uucp      unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=Fqhu user=uucp argv=uux -r -n -z -a$sender - $nexthop!rmail ($recipient)
#
# ====================================================================
#
# Other external delivery methods.
#
#ifmail    unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=F user=ftn argv=/usr/lib/ifmail/ifmail -r $nexthop ($recipient)
#
#bsmtp     unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=Fq. user=bsmtp argv=/usr/local/sbin/bsmtp -f $sender $nexthop $recipient
#
#scalemail-backend unix -       n       n       -       2       pipe
#  flags=R user=scalemail argv=/usr/lib/scalemail/bin/scalemail-store
#  ${nexthop} ${user} ${extension}
#
#mailman   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
#  flags=FR user=list argv=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/postfix-to-mailman.py
#  ${nexthop} ${user}
#amavisd reinject
#amavisd   unix  -       n       n       -       -       pipe
127.0.0.1:10025 inet n    -       n       -       -     smtpd
  -o content_filter=
  -o smtpd_delay_reject=no
  -o smtpd_client_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject
  -o smtpd_helo_restrictions=
  -o smtpd_sender_restrictions=
  -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_mynetworks,reject
  -o smtpd_data_restrictions=reject_unauth_pipelining
  -o smtpd_end_of_data_restrictions=
  -o smtpd_restriction_classes=
  -o mynetworks=127.0.0.0/8
  -o smtpd_error_sleep_time=0
  -o smtpd_soft_error_limit=1001
  -o smtpd_hard_error_limit=1000
  -o smtpd_client_connection_count_limit=0
  -o smtpd_client_connection_rate_limit=0
  -o receive_override_options=no_header_body_checks,no_unknown_recipient_checks,no_milters
  -o local_header_rewrite_clients=
#  -o smtpd_milters=
#  -o local_recipient_maps=
#  -o relay_recipient_maps=

Am 09.12.2016 um 11:59 schrieb Andreas Wass - Glas Gasperlmair:
Hallo!

Im maillog sieht man sehr deutlich, dass die Zustellung an alle 3 lokalen Empfänger sehr schnell geht (max. delay=0.81, delays=0.02/0/0/0.78)

Warum wartet postfix danach 5 Minuten, bis überhaupt mal ein Verbindungsversuch zum externen Mailserver aufgebaut wird?
Die temp. Abweisung danach ist vermutl. Greylisting (aber um diese Verzögerung geht es nicht)

grep 1B19F341C1DE8F /var/log/maillog

Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/submission/smtpd[12702]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: client=unknown[192.168.105.72], sasl_method=PLAIN, sasl_username=reinhard.waschl@glas-gasperlmair.at
Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/cleanup[11619]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: message-id=<584A88ED.2010306@glas-gasperlmair.at>
Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/qmgr[7547]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: from=<reinhard.waschl@glas-gasperlmair.at>, size=23375, nrcpt=4 (queue active)
Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/lmtp[11798]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: to=<archiv2016ausgang@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=0.08, delays=0.02/0/0/0.06, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 <archiv2016ausgang@glas-gasperlmair.at> JaaYAO6ISliJMQAA9a9gbQ Saved)
Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/lmtp[11798]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: to=<archiv2016eingang@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=0.81, delays=0.02/0/0/0.78, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 <archiv2016eingang@glas-gasperlmair.at> JaaYAO6ISliJMQAA9a9gbQ:2 Saved)
Dec  9 11:35:26 mail postfix/lmtp[11798]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: to=<claus.freudenthaler@glas-gasperlmair.at>, relay=127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:24, delay=0.81, delays=0.02/0/0/0.78, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 <claus.freudenthaler@glas-gasperlmair.at> JaaYAO6ISliJMQAA9a9gbQ:3 Saved)
Dec  9 11:40:30 mail postfix/smtp[12704]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: Cannot start TLS: handshake failure
Dec  9 11:40:35 mail postfix/smtp[12704]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: host ae30.at.pri-mx.eu0109.smtproutes.com[94.186.192.101] said: 451 4.3.0 Message temporarily deferred. Please try again later. (in reply to RCPT TO command)
Dec  9 11:45:39 mail postfix/smtp[12704]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: Cannot start TLS: handshake failure
Dec  9 11:45:45 mail postfix/smtp[12704]: 1B19F341C1DE8F: to=<Gerhard.Kratochwil@ae30.at>, relay=ae30.at.bak-mx.eu0109.smtpbak.com[208.70.88.50]:25, delay=619, delays=0.02/0.02/617/2.5, dsn=4.3.0, status=deferred (host ae30.at.bak-mx.eu0109.smtpbak.com[208.70.88.50] said: 451 4.3.0 Message temporarily deferred. Please try again later. (in reply to RCPT TO command))

Vielen Dank für eure Bemühungen
vg, Andi